Many seem to have forgotten the betrayal from Obama when he not only didn't bring US troops back from Afghanistan, he didn't bring them back from Iraq either, and he dispatched more troops to multiple additional countries with all yielding exactly the same result as Bush achieved: chaos.
Many have also forgotten the universal health care Obama would bring ... and didn't. I didn't have insurance at the start of his administration and I don't have it now. Clinton won't do it either but you already know that and you really don't give a fuck what happens to poor people. Don't worry, darlin', as it would surprise me if you did. America hasn't worked that way since the thirties and not much even then.
There were so many things Obama promised but then he regretfully told us, "I had to make some hard decisions."
Yah, right. One of them was whether to become a Republican but you decided quickly on that one, didn't you, Bomber King.
We don't really care all that much about Republicans since they're selfish horrors but they don't flip flop about and pretend to be anything else. In fact, some of the only political content which is worth more than something you would find in a fortune cookie comes from a Republican and we talk quite a bit. He's the same one who considers a vote for Clinton since Trump is unacceptable but still Democrats don't get it and this must be endlessly amusing to him. Do they even have any idea who they're running?? (larfs)
Conversely, Obama presents like the Virgin Mary but has dispatched more assassinations overseas than every other American President combined. I can talk to my Republican friend but I would just walk away if Obama came around. We're not friends, asshole. Get out.
Democrats are largely useless but there was an interesting discussion with Kannafoot several days about the school system since both systems agree it's a pile of stinking disaster. So what's needed to fix that.
One of the biggest problems is university debt but we suspect a large part of that problem and the failure to find a job behind it is a false expectation of that which universities do. Since the university is not required in any way to teach job skills, Kannafoot considers that a waste of money. Fair enough on the opinion but I don't accept it.
The problem isn't primarily whether university costs too much but rather it's sending the wrong people there.
This is where we found quite a bit of agreement as he wants to see, much earlier in a student's academic career, people splitting off into different types of pursuits. For some percentage, they want to put the money on the table and they want to come away with some useful for making a living. I paid my money to learn how to drive big-rig trucks so teach me.
(Ed: do you mock truckers?)
Nooooo. I've often thought it would be kind of a good job since it pays fairly well and you don't have people in your face all the time trying to chat about meaningless crap.
There doesn't seem even now to be any significant differentiation of students by aptitudes, personal goals, etc, etc and it's felt by both teams a greater emphasis on understanding such things and focusing education toward different areas would result in a much better overall education for people and, more than likely, be less expensive.
This kind of political discussion can be interesting but I can hear 'Trump Off' from Toby the Dog.
Many have also forgotten the universal health care Obama would bring ... and didn't. I didn't have insurance at the start of his administration and I don't have it now. Clinton won't do it either but you already know that and you really don't give a fuck what happens to poor people. Don't worry, darlin', as it would surprise me if you did. America hasn't worked that way since the thirties and not much even then.
There were so many things Obama promised but then he regretfully told us, "I had to make some hard decisions."
Yah, right. One of them was whether to become a Republican but you decided quickly on that one, didn't you, Bomber King.
We don't really care all that much about Republicans since they're selfish horrors but they don't flip flop about and pretend to be anything else. In fact, some of the only political content which is worth more than something you would find in a fortune cookie comes from a Republican and we talk quite a bit. He's the same one who considers a vote for Clinton since Trump is unacceptable but still Democrats don't get it and this must be endlessly amusing to him. Do they even have any idea who they're running?? (larfs)
Conversely, Obama presents like the Virgin Mary but has dispatched more assassinations overseas than every other American President combined. I can talk to my Republican friend but I would just walk away if Obama came around. We're not friends, asshole. Get out.
Democrats are largely useless but there was an interesting discussion with Kannafoot several days about the school system since both systems agree it's a pile of stinking disaster. So what's needed to fix that.
One of the biggest problems is university debt but we suspect a large part of that problem and the failure to find a job behind it is a false expectation of that which universities do. Since the university is not required in any way to teach job skills, Kannafoot considers that a waste of money. Fair enough on the opinion but I don't accept it.
The problem isn't primarily whether university costs too much but rather it's sending the wrong people there.
This is where we found quite a bit of agreement as he wants to see, much earlier in a student's academic career, people splitting off into different types of pursuits. For some percentage, they want to put the money on the table and they want to come away with some useful for making a living. I paid my money to learn how to drive big-rig trucks so teach me.
(Ed: do you mock truckers?)
Nooooo. I've often thought it would be kind of a good job since it pays fairly well and you don't have people in your face all the time trying to chat about meaningless crap.
There doesn't seem even now to be any significant differentiation of students by aptitudes, personal goals, etc, etc and it's felt by both teams a greater emphasis on understanding such things and focusing education toward different areas would result in a much better overall education for people and, more than likely, be less expensive.
This kind of political discussion can be interesting but I can hear 'Trump Off' from Toby the Dog.
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Seems like the backwoods boys of Tennessee could offer a solution.
This state pays tuition for all resident children to a two year community college of approved tech school for free. Including a grant for books and living expenses.
It also has 4 year college scholarships for the top students of those programs and the top HS students.
We also have a healthcare program based on need and lack of a,qualified employer sponsored program.
Only thing missing is a voucher program to allow parents to get thier kids out of publuc schools faster. If I had a kid in PS I would be fighting harder for this but thr ones that I am responsible already go to a great school
But hell why listen to a bunch of hillbillies that speak with an accent
The Socialist wants it free but setting that aside, some of that is good in focusing kids where they need to be rather than some possibly misconceived direction based on faulty knowledge / guidance, etc.
I'll take it further as a kid who wants to be a plumber has to do his apprenticeship anyway before he can become a journeyman so why not do it at a lower level so the kid is ready for the world at eighteen or whatever is appropriate. I've got an age on there because of child labor concerns.
They do that already through co-op while in school
Child labor laws would prevent from certain " dangerous equipment at under 18
But they already limit number of hours and portions of the day that they can work from 13 ti 15 and a new set from 15-18.
It is free based on academic ability so we are educating the best and brightest. And setting tech careers for the rest. ALL FREE.
Vouchers would allow access to private schools which are crushing PS test levels
I understand that on the private schools and that's come up previously. It's not hard to win when you have a select group of students.
Dunno if university people are best at anything except reading things other people don't want to read but they're usually the brightest. Even so, maybe a kid is bright enough for uni but he wants to be a plumber. His father was a plumber and maybe his grandfather before so this is what he wants.
I want to see a lot of flexibility in the system with the understanding in kids it gets progressively more difficult to switch to a different educational path the longer you stay with one over another.
Ok just because one is bright enough to go to University they can still go te tech route.
What is a university but a select set of students. But vouchers are not meant to only move the bright kids any child could make the move. They could save kids today instead of waiting for the PS to be fixed( not likely to actually happen but we must dream)
Tennessee's system is not far off the German system except in the tech side they are aiming fir craftsman not just journeymen.
And the Japanese system seperates University students from tech by about 10 years old but that results in one if the highest juvenile suicide rates
The way Japan does it is notoriously rigid so they're hardly a good example.
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