Saturday, January 21, 2017

Why Unions and Not Just Some Anecdote for Left Wing Amusement

A young mother had her first baby and, at nine months, the baby was having ear difficulties which left him crying constantly.

There was the need, even at that age, for surgery so she scheduled it and the procedure was performed but, naturally, she took off work for that.

She was written up for her absence since it was regarded as unjustifiable.

Note:  this incident took place a tad more than twenty years ago.  More than likely it is worse today but I do not know that.


So far we see a failure in the medical system since what kind of callous system would permit it to be legal to slam a woman for taking care of her baby.

This is not some anecdote I heard at a bus stop and I can be standing in front of her in less than fifteen minutes.


The young mother's union took up the fight and the charge against her was rescinded.

That's why unions since no-one fights for the workers now, least of all Q-libs since they weren't even willing to push the minimum wage to fifteen dollars.


We don't need to visit the tomato fields in California since the regulars have seen already I tried, as a kid, to work out there.  I've seen how workers are treated like complete shit and that's why "Fieldworker" is a song I've loved for longer than I even remember.

I'm not sure when the bracero program ended in California before which time they actively welcomed braceros (i.e. Spanish for laborer) due to the need for the fieldworkers.  More than likely it came when Cesar Chavez tried to organize a union for their protection and the long-term consequence is they came to be reviled in America for doing no more than that which America originally encouraged.


America was strongest when the unions were strongest.  Strength has nothing to do with how many people you can kill but rather how many of your people you can keep alive.

That's why.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

It will very hard for you to convinve me that unions are still needed or even in the best interest.
Not when UAW has such rules for labor diversification that one employee is only allowed to sweep his 100' of floor and then wait until it is dirty and sweep it again sometimes only sweeping that 100' twice in a single shift.
Or the man who drives the people mover who drives the men to a location then waits til the employees he moved are done working 8 hours later then returns them( the driver sleeps whike waiting). The while time making $67 per hour almost a $100 if he takes the overtime shift offered.
This same employee took a layoff at 51 years old received 75% salary while waiting for the new contract. He then was lucky enough to have senority so when the factory moved to California the following year He was allowed to stay on leave while waiting for an opening(each time turning them down) since he did not want to move. He was able to do this until he retired at 55.
If he is able to live the average age the company will pay his retired pension insurance etc fir more years than he worked.
He played the system about as well as it could be played.
Add that to the fact that unions force thier members to pay dues that are used to support political agendas wether the memebers agree with agendas. Yes they can fight to have that portion reassigned. But ask a union members how they are treated for not towing the union line. That same union that defends them will hang them out.
As to your anecdote, any labor board in any state including the NLRB would have defended that employee against that employer.

Unknown said...

I understand the points to all of the above but the fact is it doesn't happen.

While I support the brothers and sisters, it's with some reservation but nothing is perfect. I remember a commercial for a union in which some guy said he wasn't tired after he did his eight hours and I was kind of frosted as I was exhausted when I got done with mine ... but I didn't have a union.

The standard play is anyone claiming too much overtime gets put on salary because there is no overtime at that point. That's when the work hours go to sixty to eighty hours a week.

Compensation for workers in the country is deeply-flawed, from either perspective, most likely because the positions are so polarized but that goes all the way back to Joe Hill.

Pink said me an article about California's budget deficit but it has a heavy anti-Left bias without being entirely clear who is in that Left. I need to sort through it a bit but your point regarding poor management is definitely addressed in terms of confirming it. The blame aspect is the choke part.

Anonymous said...

UAW employees dont go to salary. There is a new provision stopping "Chinese Overtime for semi-salary compensation.
California as always can be as left as they want but someone has to do the math
Unions were hugely important but they did not evolve to serve the members just the Union

Unknown said...

I have not worked in a union but I know the union brothers and sisters would fight to keep theirs despite the knowledge the union mgmt doesn't always share their idealism.

The no-overtime situation is what I saw and experienced in IT and from that I know once you're on-salary your life is gone due to the hours required to do the higher level jobs.

Anonymous said...

I dont know any Union employee that would leave voluntarily.
Chinese Overtime is a Dept Of Labor notion that allows semi salaried employees to be paid a lower per hour wage based on how many hours they worked in a particular week.
It was set as a predetermined salary based on a 49 hour work week. Working above 49 hours could result in a per hour salary of less than $3/hour Its creation was meant to stop excessive hours by restaurant managers but it actually allowed managers to control thier labor costs by working lower managers more hours instead of hourly emoloyees

Unknown said...

That sounds like we don't have a strong solution in either country and it does amuse me to see the Chinese system working in generally the same way as this one. Those pesky Socialists (larfs).

You have seen previously my notion of a Guaranteed Universal Income but there's no way to sell that just now. I maintain it's necessary to prepare but that goes into the fortune telling aspect I've come to loathe.

There needs to be some interim solution which works since the unrest has gone on for far too long and there's little likelihood of acceptance of the credibility of those who say they ask too much when the owners have such huge wealth. I know redistributing that wealth won't cover the wage increases but they're so far off the clock no-one believes them anymore.

Anonymous said...

Chinese Overtime is not a system in China. It is part of the Fair Labor Standards Act.
I dont see GUI as a solution

Unknown said...

I don't see a GUI as a required thing at this time and that one goes into the Age of the Robos sequence. That can live on its own and defend itself as it will.

Something Yevette wanted me to clarify is a 'closed shop' is the state-level law which determines whether you must join the union and pay dues, regardless of whether you want it. In Texas it's an 'open state' and people were working at the shop in question but they weren't in the union or paying dues and this inevitably led to resentment from the union brothers and sisters.

Where the discussion led was the union mgmt is flawed but the union brothers and sisters do not see a better answer.

Anonymous said...

I am sure that unions members would always want the union to stay.
I remember when Ron was a pipefitter. His union had a clause that determined when paychecks were to be available. If they were late employees were paid until the checks arrived. Since it was on a Friday most would be on overtime waiting for the checks. They did not have to be physically present to receive that benefit.
I think those kind of benefits just foster the idea that unions are no longer needed.

Unknown said...

Sorry as there's also no fiery opposition here and Yevette said yesterday there were examples of poor representation from union mgmt which sounded like she regarded as a boy's club. In terms of benefits which are frivolous, this is kind of in the category of unusual 'rights' of convicted prisoners. That which is considered cruelty has reached to areas which make some number of us throw our hands in the air.

I see poor negotiation or tactics of negotiation (i.e. background skullduggery) which results in bad contracts. The keyword, as always, is fairness.