For those of you who are fond of attributing subversion, propaganda, and an extension of the Red Menace to Russia Today, this one may throw you a bit. (RT: First in the country: Tennessee Gov. seeks to offer adults free community college education)
Tennessee could become the first state in the US to provide free community college for adults if state lawmakers sign off on Governor Bill Haslam’s Tennessee Reconnect Act, which was announced Monday during his State of the State address.
“We need to reach the working mother that went to college but didn’t complete, or the son with sons of his own who like his dad never went to college but knows that he needs to upgrade his skills," Haslam said in his prepared remarks, according to The Tennessean. "Tonight, I’m introducing the next step in making certain that everyone in Tennessee has the opportunity to earn their degree."
- RT
For a Socialist, states rights do not at all represent political Nirvana and yet we see a positive report on a progressive move in Tennessee. To amuse and titillate your mainstream sense, I saw no evidence of a report on this on CNN or Fox News. This further sustains the contention at the Rockhouse that RT is the only current news medium which makes even a small effort toward impartial reporting.
Maybe you want to take a shot that a community college education isn't a full four-year degree but maybe you need to present a viable alternative before you start chucking rocks just to break the glass. This proposal is live and may soon become law.
While community college for two years does not deliver the traditional college education, the four-year program does not typically provide it either since you won't find many who have been schooled in Latin and Greek at university these days. The community college may well provide a better education for a great many people since it's more likely to be task-oriented in providing the education to accomplish some specific thing whereas the four-year degree is wide open and has no task orientation unless you visualize one and decide to make it happen.
It's long been Lotho's contention America doesn't need more education but it needs more effective education which serves the needs of the students and the country much better than the system now. Lotho lives in Tennessee so I know one rascal I strongly suspect will be supportive of the legislation and get this on the cost: it's estimated to cost ten million dollars. Usually politicians can't even buy a carpet for that kind of money and yet here they seek to change the educational system.
This might even work.
Rockhouse Disclaimer: there's no roll over for states rights since I don't like the premise nor the practice. Nevertheless, it's stupid to ignore anything positive which does come from it and we have been crying for ideas rather than sophistry for quite some time. Tennessee may well be delivering that.
Tennessee could become the first state in the US to provide free community college for adults if state lawmakers sign off on Governor Bill Haslam’s Tennessee Reconnect Act, which was announced Monday during his State of the State address.
“We need to reach the working mother that went to college but didn’t complete, or the son with sons of his own who like his dad never went to college but knows that he needs to upgrade his skills," Haslam said in his prepared remarks, according to The Tennessean. "Tonight, I’m introducing the next step in making certain that everyone in Tennessee has the opportunity to earn their degree."
- RT
For a Socialist, states rights do not at all represent political Nirvana and yet we see a positive report on a progressive move in Tennessee. To amuse and titillate your mainstream sense, I saw no evidence of a report on this on CNN or Fox News. This further sustains the contention at the Rockhouse that RT is the only current news medium which makes even a small effort toward impartial reporting.
Maybe you want to take a shot that a community college education isn't a full four-year degree but maybe you need to present a viable alternative before you start chucking rocks just to break the glass. This proposal is live and may soon become law.
While community college for two years does not deliver the traditional college education, the four-year program does not typically provide it either since you won't find many who have been schooled in Latin and Greek at university these days. The community college may well provide a better education for a great many people since it's more likely to be task-oriented in providing the education to accomplish some specific thing whereas the four-year degree is wide open and has no task orientation unless you visualize one and decide to make it happen.
It's long been Lotho's contention America doesn't need more education but it needs more effective education which serves the needs of the students and the country much better than the system now. Lotho lives in Tennessee so I know one rascal I strongly suspect will be supportive of the legislation and get this on the cost: it's estimated to cost ten million dollars. Usually politicians can't even buy a carpet for that kind of money and yet here they seek to change the educational system.
This might even work.
Rockhouse Disclaimer: there's no roll over for states rights since I don't like the premise nor the practice. Nevertheless, it's stupid to ignore anything positive which does come from it and we have been crying for ideas rather than sophistry for quite some time. Tennessee may well be delivering that.
5 comments:
I believe the Constitution loves states rights.
On to Tennessee, This is a relatively minor update and low the low price tag. We already offer community college to those leaving High School and those over 26.
Based on GPA, some of those can transition to a 4 year University with a scholarship.
It does work. While we just started learning how to wear shoes,we also learned from Grandma if we reach into our pocket and there is no money then we cant buy anything.
And if we pay cash then the money that would have gone to interest can be spent on something useful
I understand the pitch and I do question whether it works. I want meticulous analysis of how well it works, how much does it cost, and what is the actual prove-it-to-me benefit to the student.
The reason I want that is the Socialist in me will steal the model and use it everywhere if it is effective. We can skip whether the 'law of the land' means anything since the only interest is a model which really works.
OK, I can't have what I want in socializing everything but let's take a look at what I consider a baby step toward that and let me see what we have in hand after that.
You dont need ro question does it work.
It is doing so today.
His program only fills in a few gaps that are not previously covered.
His budget is the second year in a row with no new debt.
The process is already in place for all graduating High School seniors.All they have to do to qualify is do a short stint of community service, attend two mentor seminars and maintain a 2.0 GPA.
Cost for this program was an additional $1300 per year per student or about $12M . This has a savings component as these same students could attend a 4years University utilizing the Hope(lottery funded) scholarship. The GPA requirement are 2.5 and increase to 2.75. Many only stay in University a short time as the GPA requirements are harder to hit and they can not afford the tuition.
The state also has a system in place for adults over 26 to attend community college with free tuition. They can also apply to the Feds to recieve Pell grants which will cover living exoenses to help with the day to day if needed
PS Tennesee has no income tax.
The new program is partially funded by a new gas tax. There is a reduction in tbe sales tax on food to move who pays for this by changing the target of the consumption tax used.
So further research statistics are hard to produce as there are no graduation statistics since the program is only in its 2nd year for high school students.
I can produce many students utilizing the 26 and over program. Who went from economic drains to economic contributors. One a WalMart employee at $9hour to a EMS tech at $40k in 18 months and no student loan debt
Yes it works today
And it all started because we taught him to wear shoesso that he attend schools. The Fed givernment could learn alot from Tennessee backwoods hillbillies
You might also look to Massachusetts, as they did a very similar program with healthcare. They balanced the budget. Even achieved a surplus and provided a decent state funded healthcare program.
I guess it is amazazing what interest will pay for if it isnt used to pay tne cost of debt
MA was one of the most looney examples as Millard Fillmore did a good job with that but then renounced it when the same thing appeared as Obamacare. I don't see an excuse for states failing to get it done since they're getting the military gravy rather than dishing it out so any of them should be able to do it if they're run right.
TN seems to do well by education and you mentioned a health program previously. Since I want to know the whole package gets handled, I wonder what stuff is not getting done. I look at the TN roads and all I saw were in a high state of repair so the omissions are not quickly apparent.
That 2.0 GPA requirement is generous since my recollection is you needed a 3.0 just to get the reduction on car insurance. I'm not being cynical about that generosity and maybe it's not cruel since it offers a chance even to those who may not be able to handle it but you can if you're bad ass enough to tough it out.
I do think the military gravy is at the bottom of the problem at the state or federal level since that tax gold goes regardless of whomever spends it so that target remains my biggest for getting down to business on fixing things, making things right for kids, etc.
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