There's nothing which may be misinterpreted as combative in here but rather it's a potential scenario for the Summer.
Kannafoot and that school of Republicans are flaming over Donald Trump. We don't need to itemize why as it's only necessary to know the situation exists. It seems highly-likely they will strike into third-party territory.
The same situation exists with the FDR Democrats who are all flaming with Hillary Clinton. The Sanderistas won't support her so there's the potential for an additional strike into third-party territory.
It seems there is great potential for a four-party race which Kannafoot said would only be exceeded in circus value by the election of 1876. I'm not familiar with it but Cadillac Man is probably aware.
To Kannafoot's statement, I replied, "It ain't over yet! Maestro, rim shot, please!"
So who's the most important person in this election ... tick ... tick ... tick ...
Elizabeth Warren since she is the King Maker. We cannot for a moment believe her principles will let her side with Clinton over the Sanderistas but she has not made a move as yet.
Inevitably, she must.
Here's some of the fortune-telling we all loathe so much but we won't do much of it.
Should Warren back Clinton, it's over and the Sanderistas won't pay any attention to it anymore. There's nothing which can possibly come from that we ever want to see.
Should Warren back Sanders, especially as Vice-President, it's completely over.
Game, set, match. Crown the King and Queen and let's get on with the show.
Republicans will flame like we just killed their dogs but that's ok ... they're good at that (larfs). I've never seen any group which can hold a rage as long as they but be careful with that, Political Petunias, it will eat a hole in yer guttywuts staying all pissed-off all the time. We will work with you if, well, you stop being obstinate pricks.
It's nothing more than Bedroom Rules: you gots to give a little if you goin' get a little.
See, was that so painful! (larfs)
Kannafoot and that school of Republicans are flaming over Donald Trump. We don't need to itemize why as it's only necessary to know the situation exists. It seems highly-likely they will strike into third-party territory.
The same situation exists with the FDR Democrats who are all flaming with Hillary Clinton. The Sanderistas won't support her so there's the potential for an additional strike into third-party territory.
It seems there is great potential for a four-party race which Kannafoot said would only be exceeded in circus value by the election of 1876. I'm not familiar with it but Cadillac Man is probably aware.
To Kannafoot's statement, I replied, "It ain't over yet! Maestro, rim shot, please!"
So who's the most important person in this election ... tick ... tick ... tick ...
Elizabeth Warren since she is the King Maker. We cannot for a moment believe her principles will let her side with Clinton over the Sanderistas but she has not made a move as yet.
Inevitably, she must.
Here's some of the fortune-telling we all loathe so much but we won't do much of it.
Should Warren back Clinton, it's over and the Sanderistas won't pay any attention to it anymore. There's nothing which can possibly come from that we ever want to see.
Should Warren back Sanders, especially as Vice-President, it's completely over.
Game, set, match. Crown the King and Queen and let's get on with the show.
Republicans will flame like we just killed their dogs but that's ok ... they're good at that (larfs). I've never seen any group which can hold a rage as long as they but be careful with that, Political Petunias, it will eat a hole in yer guttywuts staying all pissed-off all the time. We will work with you if, well, you stop being obstinate pricks.
It's nothing more than Bedroom Rules: you gots to give a little if you goin' get a little.
See, was that so painful! (larfs)
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It is not unusual to have a contested presidential election. Most people over the age of 35 remember the election of 2000 which was essentially awarded to Bush by the decision of the Supreme Court. In 1800 a political deal was struck to give Jefferson the presidency even though the electoral vote was a tie. Aaron Burr, who tied in the electoral vote, became the Vice-President with his key distinction to kill the former Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton in a duel. The election of 1876 saw the Democratic candidate, Samuel J. Tilden get the majority of the popular vote and what appeared to be the majority of the electoral vote. There were 20 disputed electors, almost all in the South who voted for neither. The Republican candidate, Rutherford B. Hayes, from the great state of Ohio, struck a deal to get the 20 outstanding electoral votes. This gave him to enough for the presidential victory. Hayes, a former Union general, and the 'reform-minded' Republicans' agreed to remove the Union troops from the South. This essentially returned the South to the plantation mentality that spawned Jim Crow and the racial inequalities that existed before. What makes the election of Hayes even more unprobable is that he wasn't the favored nominee of his own party. James Blaine was only 100 delegates from getting the Republican nomination prior to the convention. The 'reform-minded' members within the Republican Party at the time didn't think Blaine could win the general election. This caused the convention to be contested and the reformers to win, allowing Hayes to be the Republican Party nominee on the seventh ballot. Hayes as it turns out was a much better governor of Ohio (served three terms) than a president. There is a saying that getting old isn't for sissies. Politics isn't either.
I knew I could count on you to know that one! Thanks and this one is a fascinating exercise from the standpoint of electoral mechanics ... but I just want my nag to win (larfs).
I was tempted to go off on a States Rights rant and the massive flaws in the electoral college, super delegates, etc, etc but that stuff seems so obvious it's probably not worth the words.
Here's a short one: my thinking is the states rights laws have never been used except to take things away, in effect, overriding the Will of the People. The usual cop to that is it's the nature of a Republic and it's also the nature of Three Card Monte in New York City. (Don't play. You will not win. They just love smart guys. Lotho has a hilarious story on that)
So the question is whether that thinking is accurate. Was states rights law ever used to bestow something useful for anyone as opposed to removing or degrading some existing law?
States rights have nothing to do with the nominating proceess.
This is a process contolled by the party following thier own rules
Generally speaking, no, but we have a roughly-equivalent process in the electoral college and other ways the Will of the People is overridden.
A contested election with 4 participants would be cool maybe tie it up in court for years and years since even the supreme court could not settle it as it would result in a 4-4 tie
Not likely. The country won't run without a President so you either keep Obama until you sort it or this is one headless chicken. I really don't think that is likely at all.
Maybe it goes full Euro with partial winners based on various parties with some alignment with each other but not the others. Seems highly chaotic but anything is possible. This is almost routine in Germany and unsure of how many others.
Ask Cadillac Man on the specifics.
But I believe Paul Ryan would become President. If that scenario were to play out.
We have seen the crooked mechanics of jacking elections and Clinton is doing that sneaky crap too. That could give Ryan the edge for the GOP, however, Trump even sounded coherent today about negotiation and that is the single rarest commodity from the GOP for over twenty years. He said specifically he is willing to negotiate and that gives him a huge edge over Clinton or Ryan because neither has any appreciable imagination. People are frequently underestimating Trump he's a whole lot more intelligent than he sounds. Clinton and Ryan seem less intelligent than their realities Looks to me like, dig him or not, he's the likely horse regardless of a third party
Ryan doesnt want to be the third party. If he waits for an electoral deadlock. He becomes President through Presidential Succession
I know the rules of succession or whatever you want to call them and the GOP knows them precisely. That's most likely why they put that stiff up as Speaker anyway. This kind of crooked skullduggery is precisely what causes the rising resentment and disenfranchisement.
For some teason you believe that people elect politicans. As,uour other post states Mr Twain is right
Man, I have to believe it as the other choice is futile despair and I fookin' refuse! (larfs)
I know the situation exists now but, as always, they've got the guns but we've got the numbers ... now the 21st Century extension to that: we've got the numbers but we often don't fookin' use them (e.g. 30% voter turnout).
I was actually wrong about the process
Electoral college members are not actually required to follow the popular vote of the state
Some do some dont
If no candidate get over 270
then the House of Reps vote among the top three vote getter
So if the GOP thinks a 3 candidate will stop Clinton from 270 then they can put the 3rd into the presidency through congressional vote.
Man, I seriously don't think the people will put up with gaming the election by taking it offline with electoral shenanigans. I don't think I've a previous election in which people are so wound-up about it. I strongly suspect playing it will not go well. I know passions run high but this is exceptionally early and it's remarkable to see young people so engaged, particularly without a draft to drive them.
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