The legislature in New York has approved funding for tuition-free attendance at all state schools and the change is appreciated but it's not quite as radical as it seems since there's quite a bit of subsidization of higher education in New York state already. (RT: New York Legislature approves free tuition at state colleges for middle class)
Many of the Rockhouse regulars attended state schools since some might have been brainiac enough or funds-positive enough for the Ivy League and the same is likely true for many Yanks. Therefore, the New York move looks cool but I do know what you're thinking on this one, mates ... what does it cost.
The New York Legislature has approved a state budget that would make the Empire State the first in the US to offer free tuition to public colleges for middle-class students from families earning less than $125,000 per year.
Depending on participation, the tuition-free plan championed by Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo is estimated to cost $163 million by 2019, according to the governor's office. The program will begin this fall, with about a three-year development period to follow.
- RT
We're seeing $163 million for New York state and that's not so much so round it up to $200 mil and then push it out to all fifty states. Presto, it still doesn't cost so much since that shows us $10 billion.
Note: the USS Gerald R Ford just launched after many expensive delays and that financial black hole clocked in at $13.9 billion. The Rockhouse reiterates ... the cost of free national college education is a nit.
Something like this exists or will exist in Tennessee so New York isn't exactly blazing a trail but it's a big state and it's excellent to see them blazing at all.
You need to lose any image of a goose laying golden eggs since tuition isn't all that much. This law does not pay for room and board nor does it pay for books and any of y'all eggheads out there know those costs kill tuition for running up the bill. Some of y'all are still crying about the cost of the textbooks when we were in school and the texts were printed on papyrus. I can just imagine what they must cost now.
Ed: you want all that for free as well?
Don't be looking for equivocation as, yes, I do. Lose the idea this is some kind of entitlement since it's not; this is investment. It doesn't matter what the machines can do if we fail to invest in the software and that two-legged software is wandering all over the place in kind of a muddle about things.
I don't believe there's any need to flog it since y'all know the fundamental business reason for doing this. Better education does better business and then all the boats float. It doesn't seem this is anything which needs Socrates when it seems it should be so obvious.
Note: this is not for me; I have no kids. All my life I have believed in investing in the software and I have never seen a school tax levy I couldn't love.
Many of the Rockhouse regulars attended state schools since some might have been brainiac enough or funds-positive enough for the Ivy League and the same is likely true for many Yanks. Therefore, the New York move looks cool but I do know what you're thinking on this one, mates ... what does it cost.
The New York Legislature has approved a state budget that would make the Empire State the first in the US to offer free tuition to public colleges for middle-class students from families earning less than $125,000 per year.
Depending on participation, the tuition-free plan championed by Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo is estimated to cost $163 million by 2019, according to the governor's office. The program will begin this fall, with about a three-year development period to follow.
- RT
We're seeing $163 million for New York state and that's not so much so round it up to $200 mil and then push it out to all fifty states. Presto, it still doesn't cost so much since that shows us $10 billion.
Note: the USS Gerald R Ford just launched after many expensive delays and that financial black hole clocked in at $13.9 billion. The Rockhouse reiterates ... the cost of free national college education is a nit.
Something like this exists or will exist in Tennessee so New York isn't exactly blazing a trail but it's a big state and it's excellent to see them blazing at all.
You need to lose any image of a goose laying golden eggs since tuition isn't all that much. This law does not pay for room and board nor does it pay for books and any of y'all eggheads out there know those costs kill tuition for running up the bill. Some of y'all are still crying about the cost of the textbooks when we were in school and the texts were printed on papyrus. I can just imagine what they must cost now.
Ed: you want all that for free as well?
Don't be looking for equivocation as, yes, I do. Lose the idea this is some kind of entitlement since it's not; this is investment. It doesn't matter what the machines can do if we fail to invest in the software and that two-legged software is wandering all over the place in kind of a muddle about things.
I don't believe there's any need to flog it since y'all know the fundamental business reason for doing this. Better education does better business and then all the boats float. It doesn't seem this is anything which needs Socrates when it seems it should be so obvious.
Note: this is not for me; I have no kids. All my life I have believed in investing in the software and I have never seen a school tax levy I couldn't love.
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Please research your numbers. Pick any large state funded University I will use Univ of Tenn Knoxville as I am familiar with the school. It's annual budget is about $15B a year
Annual tuition is in a low to mid grade college about $10k not counting books room and board
$160M sends 16000 kids to College.
Your numbers are far too low.
Please research your numbers. Pick any large state funded University I will use Univ of Tenn Knoxville as I am familiar with the school. It's annual budget is about $15B a year
Annual tuition is in a low to mid grade college about $10k not counting books room and board
$160M sends 16000 kids to College.
Your numbers are far too low.
Considering we only graduate 4 out of every 5 high school students and that drop to 3 out 5 for 4 year universities. Maybe we should fix what doesn't work now before sending more unqualified students to fail
I submit having an opportunity to fail is better than not having one but I have no argument with your thinking that it's not the only thing to fix. Uni at any level is typically brutal as there are many casualties in the Freshman year. A big part of that is the culture shock since college is nothing like high school so possibly there's some mileage in reducing that shock in some way.
The number as a base was the $163 million Cuomo quoted. Times fifty and I get ten billion. Beyond that, zero review.
Maybe Cuomo was talking billions. Must take another look.
That was he State Budget
Also if there is a failure rate in the transition from high to college. Then High School needs to change. High School coddled the students then University says do it with no help.
But if they can't maybe they should have never been sent in the first place and tech school was the right path
That shift is exactly what happens. For the Freshman year the rule changes to keep up or get out. Sabotaging that standard by making it easier sucks so the high school needs to fill the difference or there needs to be something in the gap.
Your last is the thing I see as the biggest problem in the existence of so many schools, including tech, but there isn't a whole lot of guidance on choosing wisely or there wouldn't be so many casualties in the first semester.
There needs to be brutal conversations.
Sorry Mr and Mrs. John and Joan need to go to trade school
I am a perfect example. Smart enough for University but not mature enough
Few are mature enough (larfs). I did not detect any signs of maturity in myself even as a (cough) Matriculated Man.
I don't think any conversations need to be brutal but they do need to be honest and it's all so commercialized it's tough for a kid to have any chance of making a good decision.
We have been through it before and there's little or no disagreement on the schools needing radical revamping and a big part of that is using trade schools more effective so each kid seeks to get into the right school for his or her skills. Maybe that's truck driving school or maybe it's MIT but right now that seems to get mixed-up all the time and savage amounts of money get wasted on failed educations.
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