CNN, in its typically slanted journalism sold to the highest bidder, is touting a major decline in gun violence over the last twenty years. (CNN: Study: Gun homicides, violence down sharply in past 20 years)
This part of the story is true as homicides really have declined. However, what the story omits is that suicides by gun have soared during that same period. Use of the word 'soaring' is not hyperbole unless you consider a fifty percent increase trivial (MediaMatters for America: Reporting On Surging U.S. Suicide Rate, Press Downplays Gun Deaths)
I raised this point in a comment regarding the article and CNN deleted it. Their reporting is not a matter of not knowing the truth but rather they deliberately suppress it. Fox News does the same thing but tells different stories so presumably they're bribed by different people. This type of rubbish journalism is typical of CNN and Fox News, neither one of which contributes anything meaningful to the flow of information but they contribute vast volumes to the propaganda onslaught.
The statistics on gun suicides are fairly well-known and the majority of suicides in the United States are by gun (55%). The same is true in other countries as well where guns are readily-available. (Suicide.org: Suicide Statistics)
Gun owners also claim anyone committing suicide will simply find another means if a gun is not available but I have researched that as well and the claim is specifically not true. Guns are much easier and an impulsive suicide will be successful every time. In areas where gun control has been implemented (e.g. Australia), suicides declined immediately. (Washington Post: Did gun control work in Australia?)
Do not mis-characterise my position as being a liberal who wants to come to take your guns. I don't want your damn guns and the Australian program was implemented as a buy-back program. Rifles and shotguns have legitimate applications and are available to responsible owners in any free country. The idea that this is only true in America is just more NRA rubbish. Germany has one of the strictest gun control policies in the world and yet about two million Germans are licensed to own weapons. (WIKI: Gun Politics in Germany)
Get pissed off with me for my attitude if you like but it's Ted Nugent encouraging people to buy guns. If you want to send cards and letters, send them to that evil monkey.
Yes, I have lost a friend to a gun suicide, a very dear friend. If not for the NRA, he might be alive today so I say loudly DAMN TO HELL CNN, THE NRA and TED NUGENT!
Update:
As noted in a comment, murders committed by NRA members: 0. I very much doubt this is true but, even if it is, so what. Anyone who successfully completed an educational path that went beyond elementary school probably discerned that this article is not about murder but rather about suicide. So, yeah, please do keep encouraging people to buy guns. The blood of the suicides is on your fucking hands.
This part of the story is true as homicides really have declined. However, what the story omits is that suicides by gun have soared during that same period. Use of the word 'soaring' is not hyperbole unless you consider a fifty percent increase trivial (MediaMatters for America: Reporting On Surging U.S. Suicide Rate, Press Downplays Gun Deaths)
I raised this point in a comment regarding the article and CNN deleted it. Their reporting is not a matter of not knowing the truth but rather they deliberately suppress it. Fox News does the same thing but tells different stories so presumably they're bribed by different people. This type of rubbish journalism is typical of CNN and Fox News, neither one of which contributes anything meaningful to the flow of information but they contribute vast volumes to the propaganda onslaught.
The statistics on gun suicides are fairly well-known and the majority of suicides in the United States are by gun (55%). The same is true in other countries as well where guns are readily-available. (Suicide.org: Suicide Statistics)
Gun owners also claim anyone committing suicide will simply find another means if a gun is not available but I have researched that as well and the claim is specifically not true. Guns are much easier and an impulsive suicide will be successful every time. In areas where gun control has been implemented (e.g. Australia), suicides declined immediately. (Washington Post: Did gun control work in Australia?)
Do not mis-characterise my position as being a liberal who wants to come to take your guns. I don't want your damn guns and the Australian program was implemented as a buy-back program. Rifles and shotguns have legitimate applications and are available to responsible owners in any free country. The idea that this is only true in America is just more NRA rubbish. Germany has one of the strictest gun control policies in the world and yet about two million Germans are licensed to own weapons. (WIKI: Gun Politics in Germany)
Get pissed off with me for my attitude if you like but it's Ted Nugent encouraging people to buy guns. If you want to send cards and letters, send them to that evil monkey.
Yes, I have lost a friend to a gun suicide, a very dear friend. If not for the NRA, he might be alive today so I say loudly DAMN TO HELL CNN, THE NRA and TED NUGENT!
Update:
As noted in a comment, murders committed by NRA members: 0. I very much doubt this is true but, even if it is, so what. Anyone who successfully completed an educational path that went beyond elementary school probably discerned that this article is not about murder but rather about suicide. So, yeah, please do keep encouraging people to buy guns. The blood of the suicides is on your fucking hands.
17 comments:
Murders committed by NRA members to date 0
So it's the gun's fault that he's dead?
It also sounds like you think your friend is bitter and regretful that he was able to kill himself with a gun. I'm sure you don't like it, but perhaps he felt differently. Evidence suggests (since he did it) that you assigning your own sanctimonious opinion to him is misplaced.
Yes, it is in fact, the gun's fault and if you knew the first damn thing about the statistics of gun ownership you would understand that. When guns are controlled, the incidence of gun suicide goes down immediately and it is not displaced to other methods. This is not philosophy, it is proven fact as shown by places in which gun control has been implemented.
It's not my friend who is angry, it is me. I am angry with him for doing it. I am angry with a society that doesn't give a fuck and I am flat-out flaming with the NRA with so self-righteously claiming this sort of thing doesn't happen when it very obviously does. Any damn fool can see it ... except the NRA.
NRA murders zero poor statistic as they are actually a minor player in total gun ownership.
Your are both so far to each side of this arguement. We make people take 40 hours of training to drive a car. But for the really important aspect of life none. Have a baby any good friday can help that but no training needed. Vote just an age requirement no education needed dont even have to have the ability to read on this one Gun ownership just some cash and time
Yes NRA members are well trained in gun use. And low levels of gun misbehavior. Seems.to support the need to prove a certian level training before being allowed to use the 2nd amendment. That only allowed gun ownership through the use of a well regulated militia not every Tom Dick and Harry with a couple hundred dollars and a little time
As for suicide lack of a gun never stopped me
There is a well regulated militia that trains down the street from my house on about 100 acres. Scary the guns that they think should be allowed in their possesion. oh the term well regulated in the instance is very very loosely applied
And if your want to help eliminate suicide Join the Jason Foundation they do FANTASTIC work on teenage suicide. they can use the help because i am so tired of watching my kids friends die because noone was there to expluin the loosing a girlfriend is a bitch but not lifr ending
Thet is utter bullshit, gun violence self inflicted or otherwise is highest in tightly controlled areas,by your logic Kennesaw Ga should have the highest death rate in the country. Taint so that honor belongs to Chicago area,coincedently the highest gun regulated area in the country.Your arguement holds no water,guns don't kill people people do.
Personally I feel there should be stronger regulation of guitars, as there is some truly horrendous music out there contributing to the suicide rate. Blame the tool not the workman!!!!!
In fact, the statistic from Australia specifically and from others as well contradict your contention that lack of a gun will stop you. Nothing will stop a determined suicide but classifying all motivations to suicide as the same is not realistic. A very broad example of that is in a comparison of clinical depression versus a situational depression (e.g. caught your partner in a romantic lie, etc). Both types of feelings may motivate suicide but one will / may pass whereas the other likely will not, at least not without professional intervention.
As to regulation of guitars that cause suicide, the same would apply to bad comedy. Thanks for doing your part.
More scary to me is they did NOTHING after the government shot the kids at Kent State. The right-wing militias are almost invariably very far right and aren't defending the Constitution but are trying to extort an agenda of their own which is rather less than an example of democracy.
This is exactly what I meant about clinical versus situational depression. If someone just talks to the kid to help him/her understand the situation will pass...
To pry my guns from my cold dead fingers dude or dudette
Guns kill people. Well trained users dont use them to kill innocent people.
But guns kill people
You can defend your right to own one that is fine
But still
guns kill people
yes i know so do scarves butter knives and bad hair days and rock was used as a cause if
suicide ask Ozzy ( i dont need no stinking bubbles)
not as often though
Defend your right all day no worries
It is your right just as it is my right to drive drunk and kill your kids
or does my rigbt ends when it impinges in your safety
Yes I do own guns
I also live in the country average response time 25 minutes i also have protect for fire and medical issues
Dont quite need a 30 shit clip though I can hit what i aim at sometimes need a second shell
I believe I was clear that I have no problem with private ownership of rifles and shotguns. My problem isn't with responsible ownership but rather with irresponsible marketing. The board of directors of the NRA is comprised largely of owners of weapons companies, big clip manufacturers, etc and their initiatives and their priorities don't have anything to do with the Amendments to the Constitution as they nothing more than tools to them to serve their marketing needs.
See above about responsible ownership versus irresponsible marketing.
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