Be warned as there are some crashes in this one and that violates the principle that we're not in it for the crashes but, for this type of driving, it's astounding that all of them don't crash.
Stirling Moss spoke of ten/tenths driving and this has got to be it. There are times in a track race when you can take it easy a bit such as when you're going up the straight. For rally racing, they never get any slack like that.
This is just about as maniacal as road racing can get and the trust between the driver and the navigator is something I mentioned previously but think of that li'l love muffin sitting next to you ... would you take his or her advice about going over a blind hill at one fifty kph.
God: don't lie. I'm watching you.
One of the things which surprises me in these videos is how many hang about on the outsides of corners since that's the most likely place a car will go if it spins off the track. It looks almost as dangerous to attend one of these races as to drive in one.
For the Old School aspect, the other surprise is most of these smaller vehicles probably use front-wheel drive but we of the Old School know four-wheel drifting from rear-wheel drive so grokking how these racers do it may be distant.
For example, with power from the rear in the middle of the corner, the front inside wheel may lift. This may be the wrong gearhead terminology but the torque distribution and the flexing of the vehicle would be radically different with power from the front.
No doubt some of you gofasters have tried it both ways but I've only been sideways as in far sideways once with a front-wheel drive vehicle and I can't say it was the best of experiences but it was definitely thrilling. One more degree of spin and the car would have gone around but that would have been unfortunate when there was only one lane for this side of the overpass and there was another corner in the opposite direction immediately in front of me.
Ed: drive or die. Ha ha!
Roger that.
Note: that was a Chrysler Sebring. She was pretty but I sure didn't trust that bitch.
This part really doesn't fit anywhere else but I notice with many street vehicles whether regular ones or ultrafast, they often have adhesion problems. Many times they may be driving straight and yet the car starts to wander; it ends up in what's effectively a four-wheel speed wobble and it crashes. That usually comes from driving too fast for conditions but you see the rally drivers and the conditions they drive.
It makes me think the street tires aren't getting it done. Maybe that's from making tires so long-lasting now. Unknown and that's just a hare-brain idea but the problem seems quite common.
Stirling Moss spoke of ten/tenths driving and this has got to be it. There are times in a track race when you can take it easy a bit such as when you're going up the straight. For rally racing, they never get any slack like that.
This is just about as maniacal as road racing can get and the trust between the driver and the navigator is something I mentioned previously but think of that li'l love muffin sitting next to you ... would you take his or her advice about going over a blind hill at one fifty kph.
God: don't lie. I'm watching you.
One of the things which surprises me in these videos is how many hang about on the outsides of corners since that's the most likely place a car will go if it spins off the track. It looks almost as dangerous to attend one of these races as to drive in one.
For the Old School aspect, the other surprise is most of these smaller vehicles probably use front-wheel drive but we of the Old School know four-wheel drifting from rear-wheel drive so grokking how these racers do it may be distant.
For example, with power from the rear in the middle of the corner, the front inside wheel may lift. This may be the wrong gearhead terminology but the torque distribution and the flexing of the vehicle would be radically different with power from the front.
No doubt some of you gofasters have tried it both ways but I've only been sideways as in far sideways once with a front-wheel drive vehicle and I can't say it was the best of experiences but it was definitely thrilling. One more degree of spin and the car would have gone around but that would have been unfortunate when there was only one lane for this side of the overpass and there was another corner in the opposite direction immediately in front of me.
Ed: drive or die. Ha ha!
Roger that.
Note: that was a Chrysler Sebring. She was pretty but I sure didn't trust that bitch.
This part really doesn't fit anywhere else but I notice with many street vehicles whether regular ones or ultrafast, they often have adhesion problems. Many times they may be driving straight and yet the car starts to wander; it ends up in what's effectively a four-wheel speed wobble and it crashes. That usually comes from driving too fast for conditions but you see the rally drivers and the conditions they drive.
It makes me think the street tires aren't getting it done. Maybe that's from making tires so long-lasting now. Unknown and that's just a hare-brain idea but the problem seems quite common.
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I am not sure of the 4wheel wobble than you speak of.
I have a little 350Z old and tired but will still sit solid at 150mph
Still stay planted in a corner.
Also a Charger who will feel like 70 while doing 140 or 150. I dont really pay attention to the gauge.
And for that matter a 4wheel drive Jeep that feels fine at 130 but don't ask it to turn much but don't tell that to your Queen of Nurburgring as she did an sub 9min lap in one
Feel kind of bad for that Jag to be beat by a girl in a jeep even if she drove both or them
PS They sell just about any compound tires anymore from hard as hell to drift easier and last a little longer as you destroy them to sticky as honey for autocross (more your style as only one cross is out at a time. But rather boring to watch.
I meant the speed wobble since it looks like one when a car at speed will lose adhesion and then start fishtailing more and more uncontrollably as it grows without any counter correction. I've seen many of those.
That's what led to the question about compounds as super soft would be excellent for adhesion but suck for endurance.
Getting kicked by Sabine Schmitz doesn't seem so tragic when she's so unbelievably damn talented. I did get a smile out of the shot at Clarkson, tho.
Never seen that happening a car without some steering input as an attempt to correct. And that attempt at correction causes fishtailing to get worse.
Clarkson lost all my respect after his treatment of his subordinates
It looks like it goes more like the car starts to wander and the driver fails to correct in time or not at all. I see that the most from crashes on poor road surfaces due to rain or snow.
That is just bad driving not a poor tire or design flaw
They're usually overdriving the road when that happens and the reason I remark is due to the spontaneous wandering. I know that could start from a small bump in the road but I wonder if fewer accidents of that nature with softer tires ... or better drivers.
Or smoother roads. Since the only requirement to driving a car is a very short road test, I very much doubt better drivers are in the equation
Or smoother roads. Since the only requirement to driving a car is a very short road test, I very much doubt better drivers are in the equation
For me, a Sprinter van with cruise control will do just fine. It's not fast but still the coolest way I ever found to spin through a whole lot of highway miles. The only time it ever slid was when I drove it into that river but that just might have been my fault.
Might have been
Stubborn Fraser genes caused that.
It wasn't so much stubbornness as a dumb mistake, mostly because I couldn't see the water well enough. I had never encountered anything like that previously and it was a bit of a shocker.
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